Monday, February 2, 2015

Before They Sailed: Mayflower DNA


Please share the details about this first of its kind book that will identify the DNA and trace the genetic ancestry of twenty families that sailed aboard the Mayflower. 


The story behind the story….

Who were the Mayflower passengers before they were pilgrims? Where did they come from? England has a long history of migrations and invasions. Were the Pilgrim’s ancestors Anglo-Saxons, Normans or Vikings? This book will use traditional genealogy and DNA to answer those questions and more.

The DNA of the Mayflower descendants will lead us on a path of discovery that will first allow us to confirm the genetic identity of each Pilgrim and then open a door to the past, before they sailed.

Following the DNA

The DNA falls into three Mayflower categories: descendants, genetic cousins and genetic ancestors. These categories will be defined in more detail in the book. The descendant's DNA gives us the ability to confirm the genetic identity of each Pilgrim and gives us deep ethnicity. The identity allows us to find genetic cousins in England, giving us the location of each Pilgrim's ancestral city and village. When we expand the search for cousins beyond England, we get a view of genetic ancestors, tribes and migrations across Europe.

Mayflower Surnames

The book will identify the DNA and trace the genetic ancestry of the following Mayflower families: Alden, Billington, Bradford, Brewster, Chilton, Cooke, Doty, Eaton, Fuller, Hopkins, Howland, Mullins, Rogers, Samson, Soule, Standish, Tilley, Warren, White and Winslow.

Looking for Descendants

For this project to be a success, I'm looking for both direct paternal line and maternal line descendants of the Pilgrims. If you have a solid genealogy back to the Mayflower, I would like to include your story. It would be great if you already have your y-DNA or mitochondrial DNA tested.

Contents

In addition to Mayflower ancestry, the book will illustrate the basics of genetic genealogy. How can we tell if two people are related? Where does the ethnicity come from? How do we know where someone's ancestors lived 500, 1,000 or 2,000 years ago? Why do the Anglo-Saxons, Celts, Normans and Vikings matter in a discussion about Pilgrims?

Fieldnotes

There will be a tremendous amount of data and information that gets generated during the research phase of this book. All of the info is valuable, but not all of it will make it into the book. The "members-only" Fieldnotes section of the companion website will contain all of the background and detail the progress for those who want to follow along. Even after the book is published, new information will be added as more is learned about the Mayflower Pilgrims and their DNA.

What will be produced?

This full-color book will be produced in a digital format, a paperback edition and a limited hardcover edition. There will be a companion website with behind the scenes details exclusive to members. A presentation for genealogy and history conferences is also planned.



90 comments:

  1. I'd be happy to help. Direct ancestor of William Brewster three times through my mother's side of the family. He's my 12th great grandfather.

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  2. Yes, I would love to participate! What info do you need from me?

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  3. I don't know why I came up as "unknown"...LOL! My name is Courtney a Hildebrand, I was the previous post.

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  4. Very interesting. I descend from Chilton, Warren and Soule

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  5. Warren Descendants. Would be interested!

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  6. I'd like to participate. Warren, Tilley, others.
    Best email: mamasi@comcast.net
    GEDmatch: M632230

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  7. I may be interested, but need more info. My father and I are proven descendants of two Cooke's and Richard Warren. We did the Ancestry autosomal test.

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  8. I would be very interested in participating in this study. I would love to know more information regarding this. I am a proven/ direct descendant of William Brewster.

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  9. I descend from William Brewster, through his daughter Patience Brewster (one of my 12th Great Grandmums). My lines are multiply verified.

    Here is a link to my relationship path, down through history, to them >

    http://www.geni.com/path/Theresa-Renée-Eléna-Delgado-Tossas+is+related+to+Elder-William-Brewster-Mayflower-Passenger?from=6000000019486744882&to=358782031710004109

    I/We (my Uncle, of the same lineages providing a Y) would be thrilled to be a part of your origin hunt! (We were just recently included, in new up and coming 5 volume collection, with our multiple relationships to the House of Plantagenet and our lineages connecting to many of the Barons which sealed the Magna Carta, which was researched also, by a professional genealogist, who also, collaborated with another famed genealogist who,specializes in the Plantagenet lineages), so, our lines are solid.
    ;-)
    Looking forward to your response.

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  10. Forgot to mention, we also, hold: White, Standish, Warren, Rogers lineages.

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  11. I would be interested. I'm a descendant of John Howland and Peter Browne.

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  12. Hi folks, thanks for all the interest. I will be launching a Kickstarter project tomorrow. Every little bit helps and everyone gets something in return. You can post your questions here or on my Before They Sailed FB page. Thanks

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  13. I am a direct descendant of George Soule. My son of George Soule and Francis Cooke.

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  14. Thomas Rogers is my 10th great grandfather and I would like to help Reggie. GR_DEUCE@YAHOO.COM

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  15. I would like to participate. John Alden and Priscilla Mullins, who both traveled on the Mayflower and then were married, are my 9th great grandparents.

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  16. I would love to be a part of the study. I am a descendant of Edward Doty.

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    1. I am also a descendent of Edward Doty 9th GGf. and Rollo Duke of Normandy 36th GGF. Which DNA is the best to use? I did Ancestry but am disappointed and looking for a more complete study.

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  17. I would love to be part of the study and am in process of documenting multiple lines on both sides. I have my raw dna data through Ancestry, one of my sisters from 23andme and was going to have my brother and one of his sons done (all male line of Standishes). Maternal side Doty, Paternal side Hopkins, Cooke, Eaton, Standish

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  18. Interested in participating. I'm a member of the Mayflower Society with proven line to Brewster although genealogist told me I'm descended from eight on the Mayflower including Brewster.

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  19. My husband is a Mayflower Society-proven descendant of John Howland and the Tilleys. He is eager to be involved in this project. How will he receive additional information/details/instructions?

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    1. Hi Frances,

      There is more info at the Kickstarter project site - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1950257183/before-they-sailed-mayflower-dna

      Thanks,
      Mike

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    2. Or post here, if you have any specific questions.

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  20. My project is now live, please see the Kickstarter Link at the top of the post. Thanks, Mike

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  21. Is "Reward #6" a $500 donation to your Kickstarter campaign? Is that how a Mayflower descendant can be included in your project?

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    1. Reward #6 is a donation that would feature the descendant in the book by name if they wished. All other descendants would be anonymous. As part of reward #6 I would provide a test kit if one hasn't already been taken or provide an upgrade of an existing test. I would also work with the descendant to tell their Mayflower story.

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  22. I would be happy to help. I descend from George Soule and already had mtDNA done, as well as Family Finder, Ancestry, and 23andMe.

    Cindy

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  23. I'd be very happy to help. I'm a proven descendant of Stephen Hopkins and his first wife Mary, through their son Giles. I have already been DNA tested with Ancestry.com and Family Tree DNA, both Family Finder testing and full mtDNA.

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    1. Hello, My name is Ben Taylor. (I am Ashley's dad.) We too, are (presumably) descendants of Stephen Hopkins and wife Mary through Constance. Through Ancestry DNA testing and analysis with GEDmatch I have found that my sister and I share a stretch of overlapping DNA with three other (mostly unrelated) Ancestry DNA matches that also claim descent from Stephen & Mary. We have a number of DNA matches with people who share a single stretch of DNA with the five of us and also with each other, which means that they also share the same DNA. While it is unlikely that your Hopkins DNA is the same as mine, i would like to see if you are one of my matches. What is your AncestryDNA name? Mine is BT (admin. by sandiphillps). Thanks, Ben

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  24. I have proof of descent from both William Brewster and Stephen Hopkins, lines coming in from both of my parents. I am also a professional genealogist who has been using DNA as a research tool in my client work. Tests I have completed are (1) AncestryDNA/autosumnal and (2) 23andMe. Please feel free to contact me at bethfmcc@bfmresearch.com with any additional questions or information if you believe I am a good candidate for your study. - BFM

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  25. Very interested in contributing - My dad, age 90, & has taken both FT Y-DNA and Ancestry autosomal tests. His grfthr., Welcome F. FULLER of Turner,ME, contributed to 1910 FULLER genealogy by Wm.H.Fuller pub.Palmer, MA,- credit & photo p.104: https://archive.org/details/fullergenealogy02full My mom's genealogy pub. privately in The COBBs1692-1970 by Mrs.Guy Emery, Bryant Pond, ME, links to Mayflower ancestor Samuel Fuller, as well as Eaton, Doty, Cook, Hopkins, Sampson, Billington, Allerton, Alden, Mullins, Brewster, Warren, Lee, Sampson, Standish.

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    1. Hi Deb,

      Sounds like your dad and his DNA are a great fit for the book. Would you consider supporting the book and having your dad and his genealogy featured or more of an anonymous role?

      Thanks,
      Mike

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  26. I'm interested in participating. I descend from the Billingtons. I've had AncestryDNA/autosomal done thus far.

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  27. I'm interested - I descend from the Howlands and Tilleys. I've had my DNA tested at Ancestry and my brother's at Family Tree.
    Thanks - Sue Roose

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  28. I am interested and would like to participate. William Brewster is my 11th great-grandfather and Richard Warren is my 9th great-grandfather. I've had the Ancestry DNA test run.

    Doug MacLeod

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  29. This sounds very interesting. My 13th Great-Grandfather is Peregrine white. I have not had DNA done, but would be willing, if needed.

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  30. I have several Mayflower Ancestors and have atDNA tested if you need more info feel free to can contact me.

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  31. I don't think my comment went through so I'm repeating...I'm a direct descendant of Stephen Hopkins from both of my parents. Giles and Constance the children also. I've had my DNA done for the Journey of Man project but should I have my brother do it instead?

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  32. I am a "proven" Brewster descendant and would like to participate in the project - I have tested DNA via Ancestry and 23andme.

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  33. Very interesting. I'm a direct descendant of Thomas Rogers through his son Joseph, on my maternal grandfather's side of the family.

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  35. I am a direct descendant of William Bradford. He is my 11th great grandfather (MFMFMMFM). I am also more distantly related to Richard More, Francis Cooke, William Brewster, William Mullins, Isaac Allerton, Henry Sampson, Edward Winslow, Thomas Rogers, and Samuel Fuller. I have not done a DNA test, but both of my parents and my paternal grandmother and maternal grandfather have done Ancestry DNA (autosomal). I would love to be a part of this project!

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  36. I am interested! I am a direct descendant of Stephen Hopkins and Constance Hopkins. Have never done the DNA. What do I need to do? I can't find any information.

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  37. My name is Andrea Costello and I'm a Stephen Hopkins descendent. I would like to participate.

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  38. Doreen McNary
    Direct descendant of John Alden and Priscilla Mullins and their daughter, Elisabeth Peabody, through my mother, Arloa Bell Pierce. My sister and I have extensive records, going way back, compiled in the 1800s. No DNA testing has been done.

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  39. Gerene Mason
    I'm a direct descendant of both Thomas Rogers 11th ggrandfather and Henry Samson my 10th ggrandfather. My husband is also a direct descendant from John Alden 9th ggrandfather and Priscilla Mullins 9th ggrandmother.

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  40. See my latest post on details for participating...

    http://originhunters.blogspot.com/2015/02/mayflower-dna-data-collection.html

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  41. See my latest post on details for participating...

    http://originhunters.blogspot.com/2015/02/mayflower-dna-data-collection.html

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  42. I would love to be apart of your research. I am a decedent of Stephen Hopkins & Giles Hopkins, and recently found a tree link to William Brewster. My mother was 1 of 6 children (5 are still alive) I am 1 of 18 grand children. My children are 3 of 32 great grandchildren. Plus there are now at least 18 great great grandchildren. I know other family members have also said they would be interested if I got more info for them. My aunt has proven lineage to Dr Theophilus Hopkins for the DAR, and I am in the process of getting the line with the Mayflower group (GMSD) I have been told that both lines are very strong.
    (my account is under my husband) I am Andrea

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  43. I would be interested in being part of your research. I am decended from;
    John Alden (8th ggf), Priscilla Mullins (8th ggm), Elizabeth Rogers (8th ggm),
    Kenelm Winslow (9th ggf), William Brewster (12th g Uncle), and Samuel Fuller (8th g Uncle)
    I have had my DNA done through Ancestry, My lines are all sourced. I have uploaded my results to Gedmatch, but have not a gedcom file yet.
    Let me know if you are interested. Thanks, Myrna

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  44. Alden, Mullens, Browne, Snow (?), Samson, Possibly White on father's side and Standish. There are a few, and will verify the rest, if those seem of interest. Christine B

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  45. Hi....I just found this site , so if it isn't too late , I would love to be a part of it. My Mayflower ancestor is William BRADFORD.

    Brenda M.

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  46. I would like to find out if I am genetically linked to William Brewster who sailed on the Mayflower. He came from the Doncaster in Yorkshire area and I come from Sheffield Yorkshire onlY 25 miles away. I was born Margaret Brewster. Brewster is not a common name in this part of Uk or all over UK but is in USA. I live in Belgium now bit would lo e tp have a dna test to verify if I am part of tbis famous family. How do I go about it

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  47. Suspecting that I have a direct maternal line to Mary Chilton, I used Family Tree DNA's mtDNA test to try to confirm. I was informed of 2 exact matches, one of which has a proven direct maternal line through one of Mary Chilton's daughters. My line goes through another of Mary's daughters. So, Mary Chilton is the first common ancestor for me and the other lady. If my data would be helpful to you, I would be happy to participate.

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  48. Suspecting that I have a direct maternal line to Mary Chilton, I used Family Tree DNA's mtDNA test to try to confirm. I was informed of 2 exact matches, one of which has a proven direct maternal line through one of Mary Chilton's daughters. My line goes through another of Mary's daughters. So, Mary Chilton is the first common ancestor for me and the other lady. If my data would be helpful to you, I would be happy to participate.

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  49. I have a fairly high confidence that Thomas Rogers was my 10th paternal GG.

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    1. I've had my brother's ydna tested to the first 12 so far but could upgrade if I understood it better.

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  50. Hi
    I'm a direct descendant of John Howland. I've been tested with 23andme and my Dad also.
    tanyaestes@gmail.com

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  51. We have a papertrailed direct decendancy from the Billingtons. I would love to see if that DNA shows up and if anyone has figured where they originated from!

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  52. Greetings! I have John Alden as my 11th Granpap! I also had Mayflower Society members as cousins. I did the Ancestry DNA as well. If I can help in this project I will.
    Merry Christmas ,
    Scott Young

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  53. Interesting project! I'm happy to help. Direct descendant, 11th generation from William Brewster. Some DNA testing done already at Family Tree.

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  54. I can prove my lineage to the following Mayflower passengers - William Brewster, John Howland, John Tilley, and John Billington. I'm a member of Mayflower Society under each of these men. Would love to be involved in this interesting project if I can help. I've only done DNA through Ancestry at this point.

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  55. I can prove my lineage to the following Mayflower passengers - William Brewster, John Howland, John Tilley, and John Billington. I'm a member of Mayflower Society under each of these men. Would love to be involved in this interesting project if I can help. I've only done DNA through Ancestry at this point.

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  56. I come from John Alden and Priscilla Mullins lines and I would love to help

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  57. Would be happy to participate. I am a descendant of both Alden and Warren.

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  58. Stephen Hopkins is my 12th Great Grandfather, Constance is my 11th Great Grandmother. I would love to help.

    Brian

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  59. Stephen Hopkins is my 12th Great Grandfather, Constance is my 11th Great Grandmother. I would love to help.

    Brian

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  60. Stephen Hopkins is my 12th Great Grandfather, Constance is my 11th Great Grandmother. I would love to help.

    Brian

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  61. Stephen Hopkins is my 12th Great Grandfather, Constance is my 11th Great Grandmother. I would love to help.

    Brian

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  62. I would like to be a part of this. npsnow@roadrunner.com
    Alden and White line.

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  63. Direct descendant on mother's side to William brewster.her family all from the cape Waiting for my copy if the "book".Uncle has original book.his 2 daughters have copy mine is at book binders bring copied. My 2 great grandmother is lydia lord. (Nickerson)am joining society when my book comes back to me,need info for application.

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  64. Direct descendant on mother's side to William brewster.her family all from the cape Waiting for my copy if the "book".Uncle has original book.his 2 daughters have copy mine is at book binders bring copied. My 2 great grandmother is lydia lord. (Nickerson)am joining society when my book comes back to me,need info for application.

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  65. I am a member od gsmd and a descendant of Richard Warren. I believe I have 2 and possibly three other lines but I am too exhausted from the Warren line research to look into others just yet. I had my dna test with Ancestry.

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  66. Hi there,
    I am in the process of confirming my link to the Howlands and the Tilley's.

    I don't see any updated blogs or information related to this page, so are you still in the research phase? Can you give any additional info regarding your mention of the "members only" Fieldnotes section on the companion website?? I am not finding this anywhere...??

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  67. I/m wondering why the Mayflower Society doesn't taking DNA as proof of membership? The police will put you in jail for life as it it REAL proof vs. misspelled names, incomplete forms, burned up paper records or destroyed in hurricanes or whatever. Paper records with slim census information at best and such is much less reliable. It is the 21st century and it should not be an elitist membership process where only those few with the right ancestors and paper trail can qualify.

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  68. I/m wondering why the Mayflower Society doesn't taking DNA as proof of membership? The police will put you in jail for life as it it REAL proof vs. misspelled names, incomplete forms, burned up paper records or destroyed in hurricanes or whatever. Paper records with slim census information at best and such is much less reliable. It is the 21st century and it should not be an elitist membership process where only those few with the right ancestors and paper trail can qualify.

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  70. My relative John Jones married Anna Vassall - Captain John Vassall's daughter. Anna Russell was the mother of William Vassall and Anna Vassall. William Vassall's daughter Judith Vassall married Resolved White who was an original passenger on the Mayflower with his parents William and Susanna White. His other brother was Samuel Vassall and William's wife was Anna King. Captain John Vassall 11 would make a great multi continent DNA study ! Most of my research came from other trees I found on Ancestry and Family but they appear to be the same - Which made my work easier -
    Richard Hellstrom
    Lexington , Kentucky

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  71. My husband is supposed to be a descendant of William Bradford. I have found many collateral lines but still working on direct descent. I would love more info on the project as well as helping with the Kickstarter. Thank you.

    elizabethward575@gmail.com

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  72. Husband has done DNA through Myfamilydna.....

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  74. I'm a descendant of Peregrine White but my line is not recognized by the Mayflower Society. I submitted my ancestry to the Mayflower Society as follows:
    1. Name of your Mayflower Pilgrim Ancestor: Peregrine White
    2. Son/Daughter: Jonathan White 2. Married: Margaret Alexander
    3. Son/Daughter: Alexander White 3. Married:Mary McMurtrie
    4. Son/Daughter: Samuel White 4. Married: Jane Stewart
    5. Son/Daughter: James White 5. Married: Elizabeth Hamilton
    6. Son/Daughter: Samuel White 6. Married: Mary Wright
    7. Son/Daughter: Andrew White 7. Married: Florence Williams
    8. Son/Daughter: Joseph White 8. Married: Stella Pryor (my great grandparents)

    This is the response I received:
    "We are delighted to learn of your interest in the Mayflower Society. We have received your Preliminary Review Form and have attempted to determine the best approved lineage paper that we might have which follows your stated lineage from Mayflower passenger William White. Unfortunately, the Mayflower Society does not accept that Jonathan White (son of Peregrine White) married Margaret Alexander. The most up to date work on the descendants of William White is Mayflower Families through Five Generations, Vol. 13: William White. According to this book, Jonathan White married twice, first to Hester Nickerson, and then to Elizabeth -----. There is also a comment that "the authors found no evidence to support the claim of Roscoe R. White in White Family Record...that Jonathan White m. 8 Aug. 1708 Margaret Elizabeth Alexander. ...... The (Mayflower) Society does not accept this lineage" (p. 17). Our lineage files are consistent with this and there are no lineage papers in our files through a marriage of Jonathan White and a Margaret Alexander.

    It is certainly not the most enjoyable part of the lineage reviews to have to inform people that they have proposed a Mayflower lineage that is not known to be correct, but we can only report what the research has shown to be true. If you feel you have discovered evidence, in primary records such as vital records, wills, probate records, deeds, town records, church records etc, that clearly proves Jonathan White m. Margaret Alexander, please contact the Mayflower Society in the state of your choice and they will review your findings."

    I have 2 uncles that are direct male descendants, would their DNA offer the proof needed? I have done my dna through 23andme.

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    1. Seems that "Elizabeth" the second wife of William may be "Margaret Elizabeth Alexander." You'll have to find historical reference to her, perhaps in her father's will, or a court proceeding, if you cannot find the marriage record, or birth or baptisism record of her child.

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  75. I am a Direct descendent of William White through Peregrine White my 8th great grandfather. Would like to contribute any continue on this journey of discovery.

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  77. I am a descendent of George Soule and very interested in providing the necessary DNA testing results. Can someone recommend a reputable DNA service? Thank you. Jonathan Soule

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    1. The only service that I would recommend is Family Tree DNA. You would need a 37 marker Y-DNA test (or a 67 marker test is better)

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  78. I'm a descendant, but my line bounces between paternal and maternal lines. Not of use to you?

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  79. Richard Warren is my 12th Great Grand father. Dna is corretly being tested through ancestory.com

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  80. I'm a descendant of John Howland and Elizabeth Tilley. The lineage: Lydia Howland & James Brown; James Brown Jr & Margaret Denison; William Brown & Elizabeth Long; Bethiah Brown & Ebenezer Walker Jr.; Bethiah Walker & James French; Dorothy French & Jonathan Brown; Amy French Brown & Robert Parke Thomson; Emma French Thomson & William Gabel Bechtel; George Howe Bechtel & Mabel Mitchell; George Mitchell Bechtel & Margaret Burleigh; Patricia Bechtel & Mandell Winter Jr. I do have Ancestry.com DNA results. You may contact me directly at pjbwinter@comcast.net.

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  81. i have 111 dna from FTDNA. How do i tell if i am descended from the mayflower whites?

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